This new feature in JC's Corner will highlight the dumbest, most stupid post of the week. I know this will be a big hit with the anony-mouse crowd, they're gonna knock themselves out to win this one. Every monday at 6PM est a winner will be announced. We already have a number of good entries so far but are sure you jerkos out there will do better. So keep those cards and letters comin'.

RK Replies:

All your points, John, are well spoken and taken.

The rug world is, basically, nothing more than a lump of yes-saying head-nodders who have no original thoughts or even the apparatus to determine whether those presented by others are worthwhile or just nonsense.

This is the issue and whether or not there was an organization to police the market, i.e. like the problems the dodds/LACMA or pacquin embroideries have engendered, RK seriously doubts any declarations from it would make any difference.

When hali refuses to even mention these issues, or others, it shows nothing we or anyone would/could do might be able to change the ignorance and indifference that is so brutally apparent to anyone with eyes wide open.

Too bad we are in the minority and clowns like price, dodds etc are the majority.

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You don't need to bother with the competition Dr Price or "Filly" will win it every week.

Any amateur who attempts to diagnose another person's mental state remotely, does not deserve to be listened to. My family is still laughing at the suggestion that I take anger management classes.

Commenting on your other post. Until there is an organisation in the rug world that is the equivalent of LAPADA/BADA , dubious sales practices are likely to continue.

LAPADA/BADA both offer a dispute resolution service - independent arbitrators - and some of the UK rug dealers belong to one of these organisations. Because the market for rugs is relatively small any such organisation in the rug world needs to be constructed on a global basis.

However, an arbitration service needs people who feel they have been mis-sold, to complain. If they choose not to do so, (as LACMA has), the integrity of the market is diminished for all.

That is the nub of the issue. By not complaining, LACMA (if it admits that it has been mis-sold, which it seems to), has diminished the integrity of the market for all. Of course, since the rug market has very little integrity anyway, the argument is "does it really matter?"

For those that do have integrity, the answer should be "Yes", for those that don't it is "No".

I believe that is why there is no debate on the issue in Hali and other forums, such as ****, that do not wish to cause offence to the establishment.

You Can't fix stupid, can you steev?

No matter how hard professor clown tries to denigrate us he is ever more the fool for his efforts.

Today's salvo of saliva-laden BS from the rug challenged professor of physiology centers on a dictionary definition of a personality disorder and his implication it is one RK suffers from.

Not only is the rug-idiot professor a day late and a dollar short (someone else posted the same several years ago with the same intent) but the rug clown was too timid, or is it chicken-shit, to state his belief it is our problem.

Price knows we are just waiting to haul his sorrowful butt into a court for slander and defamation and, no doubt, steev's timidity is the result of that.

Regardless, price's infatuation with RK and his failure to mount any type of credible critique of our published writings or discuss any topic about historic rugs with us, are just other signs of his invidious personality and stupidity.

We don't need to post dictionary definitions of metal illnesses and imply or suggest they are the cause of his problems.

His are quite easily described -- You can't fix stupid.

Another entry for this week's Dumb Post o' the Week contest:
Surprisingly, this one comes from the hali website and was presumably written by their rotund editor, daniel schaeffer:
"The second half of the 19th century – before the widespread introduction of synthetic dyes – was a golden period for village and tribal weaving in Persia. From all parts of the country carpets with glowing colours and traditional patterns arrived in the bazaar in Tehran to begin the long journey to the floors of Europe and the United States. "

Ostensibly written to publicize an exhibition of wagirehs - samplers - an English dealer is holding, this amazingly dumb statement calls into question schaeffer's knowledge of rugs and dyes, which surely is an important area of rug studies. The first chemical dyes, not counting the earlier synthetic processes to extract indigo dyes done in the late 18th century, were introduced beginning in the early 1860's and by the early 1880's they had flooded the market-places of almost every rug weaving village, city and town except for the most isolated ones. One would expect this historical fact should be as well known to schaeffer as the location of his favorite fast-food joint with a bufffet bar.

But if in fact scheaffer was not the author then this raises some concern about his ability or interest to scrutinize what appears on the hali website, or what is between their glossy covers.

In any event, it is even dumber than this week's other entry - richard farber's chatter about his ghastly embroidery.

Richard Farber, like professor price=clown, refuses to acknowledge the stupidity of a position that has been over and again proven to be, well, stupid.

His embroidery with a niche, mirhab or what ever you want to call the directional design it bears is truly an unimportant textile from all perspectives except his own.

After going on about the foolish 'opinions' he holds dear about this example of airport-art, his latest post takes the cake. Here it is:
"I got a feedback by email - from a person knowledgeable in this type of embroidery from the Judaica aspect. Many many ark covers, torah dresses, and costumes etc. were embroidered in this type of gold embroidery. If you've seen the chief Sephardi rabbi of Israel on television you will see that he wears a robe and headdress with gold embroidery even today. This person believes that the embroidery in Ottoman and thinks that it might have been made in what is today Iraq. This will be further researched."

Sorry Rich but whether it was made in Iraq or Timbuktu, it's still not worth researching. And please, the embroidery thread is not gold, it's just gold colored. Get that straight, would ya.

bobo: the only rare element in your world is intelligence.

Perhaps you should take some of the money your birthright bestowed on you and, instead of buying prescription drugs and mediocre rugs, get yourself a brain. I've heard Wal-Mart's cheap, maybe they might run a special on them. Check it out but be sure you don't start babbling in pigeon-english there. No one willl understand you and you might end up with the wrong size: One too large for your tiny cranial capacity....and what good would that do other than being just another waste of your forebear's money?

ooohhh Missa Cassin. I think you have long persone. I no know no bobo. I know you though. You one clazy man, you one stupid man and you also oneee velly sick man.

Well well, bobo ryan (aka onlytheshadowknows) the pimple-faced junior wanna-be rug dealer braves an appearance on RK.com.

How's it going bobo? Aren't you too busy counting your inheritance?

You're right, the wearing blanket is mine but there's no secret there, as even a mentally deficient loser like yourself can look up the ebay whois.

Frankly its a horses for courses type of thing, my selling certain things on ebay. Too bad, though, that you are too ignorant to realize the difference between garbage like what you ate for dinner last nite and a genuine late classic wearing blanket.

As for the blanket, yes damaged it is but it a rare piece. Study it, boy, even a dopey poser like you might learn a thing or two. Although I'd doubt it as you consistently prove to be dumb as a rock. Lucky your daddy and grand-pa left something behind otherwise you'd be pumping gas in a Getty station, instead of prancing around making a fool of yourself as an imitation rug-dealer.

So keep trying to impress, bobo, but dont forget to take your zoloft and praxil.

The dumbest post of the week is Mr. Cassin's offering on eBay. If one wishes to see true examples of old wrecks and garbage, please view the offerings of "thejax" aka Jack Cassin on eBay. Astonishing that a "dealer" of Jack Cassins "magnitude (ha ha)" can't come up with better material than this trash. Oh and he even has his biatch Ron Hort protecting the material. Hey Ron, why not change your eBay user name to willshillforfood.

Like the geyser, Old Faithful, in Yellowstone National Park steev price=clown can always be depended upon to post a major boner at least once a week.

Here's the clown latest:
"filiberto asks for opinions about whether the rugs in the paintings he shows were faithful reproductions of what the painters saw or if significant artistic license was used in them. I think the likelihood is very high that all of the rugs shown in the paintings presented in the... (ed. reference removed)... are accurate records of the scenes the painters witnessed."

Of course price=clown is referring to the selections of 19th century paintings depicting Oriental Rugs that now appear on turko-trekk.com's website. As always, steev's opinions are worthless because they are based purely on the limited and highly specious understanding he consistently demonstrates about anything to do with Oriental Rugs.

Only a sophomoric fool like steev would opine "the likelihood is very high" the scenes depicted by the Orientalist painters of the 19th century were factual. Most of these artist had NEVER visited the Near East and their painting were interpretative of what they read and saw sitting in their studios in London, Paris, etc.

Some did venture into the middle east but, like the tourists of today who travel in 'tour groups' in air conditioned buses, their exposure to real life circumstances was limited at best.

These 19th century paintings are not 'ethnographic documents', they are more like fictional accounts in oil and canvas made to amuse a curious public.

But in steev's limited grasp and all-consuming desire to prove his dopey 'prayer rug hypothesis' of old, they are 'documents' to be relied upon.

Sorry price=clown but this is just another boner for you. Too bad you can't get anything else up besides your doltish desire to prove a point that is pointless.

Price: Your continued efforts to "prove" yourself demonstrate the feelings of inadequacy and helplessness that rule your thinking.

Your carpet knowledge and expertise is only slightly above the moron level, your teaching career mediocre at best, your contributions to science non-existant and that is not only my opinion but it is proven by the facts and shared by countless others.

As for rest of your accussations and dopey opinions I will let them speak for themselves but remember, clown,the inneundo and baseless personal attacks you always voice about me show your inability to muster any real facts and affirm your shallow and vindictive personality.

Jack

What's misleading about my saying that I teach medical students? I have 9 contact hours with them in small group sessions this year; some years it's more, some years it's less. Anyway, what has that got to do with anything that's any business of yours? Where in the world did you get the notion that medical school professors only teach medical students? You obviously don't know what you're talking about (as usual). But this doesn't stop you from speaking with a pretense of authority (as usual).

You object to my calling you dishonest? I can make a pretty long list of examples without even going beyond this thread. Here's some, all direct quotes, all within the past few days, all statements that you knew or would have known are incorrect if you'd checked them before opening your stupid mouth:
1. About my professional activities, "... even most of the teaching assistants have broader academic achievements" That's too ridiculous to warant comment.
2. "Three articles in a 28 year academic career." Equating a brief list of selected articles with a career output is absurdly stupid or intentionally misleading.
3. "AS for the 1911 description of fuchsine? Since this dye is totally non-existent in today’s world, in fact it hasn’t been used since WWI, the description from that encyclopedia is far more descriptive than any since published." Fuchsine (actually, fuchsines is more correct nowadays) is far from "totally nonexistent in today's world" and to cite a 1911 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica that's on line because it's so old that the copyright has expired is just intellectual laziness.
4. Again, about me, "His accomplishments are embarrassingly few and far between, in fact they number less than 5." This is off by a couple of miles, and wouldn't even be true if the subject was awards for accomplishments.
5. "Virginia Commonwealth University is not a medical school and steev is not a medical school professor." Sorry, Jack, it includes a medical school, and I am a medical school professor. You obviously have no idea what a medical school professor is or does. That doesn't make it whatever you think it is.
6. "the third “course” professor clown ‘teaches’, like the ‘module’, also has nothing to do with medicine or science. Here, steev ‘teaches’ how to use software, particularly microsoft’s PowerPoint to prepare public speaking presentations for professional meetings, there is nothing in this ‘course’ of a scientific or medical nature. It, too, is only for undergraduates." This course is open only to MS, PhD, and MD/PhD dual-degree students, no undergraduates may enroll. The use of Powerpoint is neither taught nor encouraged, although it is permitted. The subject matter is how to present information to scientific and medical audiences.
7. "the second is not really a class, ... it as a “module” class for undergraduate Honor students. ... this course has a number of ‘instructors’ who each are responsible for only a part of its curriculum. Steev’s contribution to this course has nothing to do with science or medicine" Wrong on all counts. This is a 15 hour course called "Revolutions in Biology", which I teach alone. The content has eveything to do with science and medicine.
8. "the main one is entitled “Pre-Health Science”, which is for undergraduates who are pursuing educations leading to nursing careers. His students here are not in any way seeking to become doctors or any other careers other than nursing." The course is entitled Human Physiology. About one-third of the students intend to go to nursing school, the rest are a mixture of pre-medical, pre-dental, pre-pharmacy, biomedical engineering, physical therapy, forensic sciences, and others.
9. "You don’t teach any science or medicine for Medical School students and intimating you do is far from reality." I think I've dealt with this already.
10. "You do have a PhD degree in a scientific field but your teaching is far removed from science." Ridiculous.
11. And, the two most recent ones, "steev is NOT a medical school professor, in any real sense of the term." and "What is clear is that you are NOT a Medical School professor." Sorry, old boy, I am a medical school professor in every real sense of the term. The one in your head isn't a real one, it's a fantasy you made up to feed your malice.

You make several references to undergraduate professors as "babysitters". This speaks volumes about your own undergraduate education (assuming that you actually have one, something about which I have considerable doubt). It confirms what any reader might have concluded from your written English, clearly exhibited all over this (ugh!) website. I don't know what American college or university would have granted a degree to someone whose command of English is laughable to sixth graders in central Virginia. I estimate that you would score no higher than 450 on the Verbal section of the Graduate Record Exam - a little above the average applicant from China.

clown: Saying you are employed in a Medical School or that you "teach" medical students is misleading in the least and duplicitous at the most.

Medical School denotes a highly specific form of graduate degree training and your baby-sitting teaching efforts in undergrad classes in anyone’s estimation, except obviously your own and a few dumber than a rock supporters of yours, is not in any way equated to being a med-school professor. Medical School Professors teach med students, not undergrad nurses or other grad students like you do.

Plus because your university has a med school, where your physiology department is classified, might give you bragging rights to say you are employed at a med school, but in reality, you are a tenured professor with a PhD who teaches undergraduates, who apparently want to become nurses not doctors – a far stretch of the truth.

I am not going to call Dr Ford back to find out if his version of your teaching schedule or yours is correct. What is clear is that you are NOT a Medical School professor. Period.

As for my incivility, that's YOUR opinion and we all know your opinions are basically worthless to anyone other than yourself and your cronies.

As for my dishonesty, a statement you have carelessly upchucked in print here on RK,com before, that, professor clown, borders on malicious defamation, as well as a number of other prohibited means of denigration. If you persist in trying to defame me without providing any proof, you might just find yourself in Federal Court in New York, as your doing so on the internet would enable me to drag you up here to defend your big-mouth before a judge.

Everything I have ever written or said publicly about you, your academic career and credentials or your abysmal rug knowledge is fact, unlike your innuendo and garbage-mouth hearsay opinions.

Go take some brain-viagra, maybe it will help you to get your impotent intellectual capacities to stand up instead of drooping in their usual flaccid state. It might grow them as well, give it a try, after all you have nothing to loose, do you professor?

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Jack

Your ability to keep insisting that you are right as you look at the proof that you are wrong never fails to amaze. If your dishonesty and incivility didn't keep people from discussing rugs on this (ugh!) site, that would suffice.

I've had enough for now. If anyone is interested in my professional qualifications and activities, e-mail me and I'll send them to you.

This IP address of this post, which can be traced to an Englewood Colorado location, appears to be from fish-face.

So fishy did you get on a plane and fly there from Hesperia just to make this post or do you have an alter-ego who likes to ski?

Regardless of which miscreant made it or where they might be located - VCU is NOT a medical school, it includes one amongst it's various colleges and steev is NOT a medical school professor, in any real sense of the term.

But you, weenie, are a stooge in all and any senses of that term. Why dont you TRY to say something, anything, that is cogent and worthy about antique oriental rugs. Professor clown's impotent abilities pale compared to those you bring to the table. Get down off the chair, like a good little doggie, and search for some fallen scraps instead of pretending your doggie-breath doesn't smell and you know how to use a knife and fork.
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JC

Once upon a time you said to me, "Virginia Commonwealth University is not a medical school and steev is not a medical school professor. ... Again you prove your inability to even get your facts straight, let alone interpret them." When was that, again? Oh, I remember now. It was today.

Who is it that can't get facts straight?

Clown:

Again more repetitious gargling of the facts. You don’t teach any science or medicine for Medical School students and intimating you do is far from reality. You do have a PhD degree in a scientific field but your teaching is far removed from science. And saying you are appointed to a Medical School is as foolish as Bush saying we are in Iraq to "save" the Iraqi people. Both stretch the pizza dough beyond the point of use.

As for my academic credentials? I have a BA degree in sociology but I don’t allude, like you do, to anything more than that fact.

Should you be foolish enough you want to debate with me any rug topic (REMEMBER clown this is all about rugs and your bumbling effforts to moderate and discuss them) beside those dealing with airport art (your specialty), you'll get a drubbing. You know little and talk much but too bad for you hot air is only good for balloonists, it doesn't cut the mustard in anything else.

You are a boorish, pedantic fool when it comes to oriental rugs, and as for the rest of your less than ordinary life? Thankfully I know little about it or care to but, from what I've heard, it is as unremarkable as your academic achievements.
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JC
Professor Ford gave you information that was incomplete and included some errors. Here are the facts:

My teaching responsibilities here include:
An introductory course in physiology for undergraduates preparing for careers in almost any health-related profession (RIGHT THAT'S THE COURSES FOR NURSES NOT PRE-MED STUDENTS).
A course for Honors Program undergraduate students in the structure of science(RIGHT, THAT'S THE COURSE YOU USE ORIENTAL RUGS FOR).
A course for graduate students in which they are taught to prepare and deliver talks within the subject matter of physiology(RIGHT, THAT'S THE COURSE THAT DEALS WITH PRESENTATION SKILLS, NOT SCIENCE OR MEDICINE). They are permitted to use Powerpoint, but I neither teach nor encourage its use.
A series of lectures to graduate students on sensory systems(WHEN DID YOU LAST GIVE THIS AND IS IT A MODULE OR A FULL CURRICULUM COURSE? ALSO WHAT ARE THE STUDENT'S MAJORING IN).
A series of laboratory sessions for medical students(LAB SESSIONS TO DO WHAT, CLEAN TEST-TUBES?).
I formerly did an Honors Program module on rugs and textiles, but haven't given that course in many years.

And your scholarly credentials are ...?

Professor price=clown:

I just had a 15-minute chat with Dr. George Ford , Assistant Chair and Director of Graduate Programs, at Virginia Commonwealth University and asked him about professor clown’s teaching duties and responsibilities.

He explained to me the three “instructions” steev price is employed to ‘teach’:
1. the main one is entitled “Pre-Health Science”, which is for undergraduates who are pursuing educations leading to nursing careers. His students here are not in any way seeking to become doctors or any other careers other than nursing.

2. the second is not really a class, in the same sense as the “Pre-Health Sciences” course and Dr. Ford referred to it as a “module” class for undergraduate Honor students. He explained this course has a number of ‘instructors’ who each are responsible for only a part of its curriculum. Steev’s contribution to this course has nothing to do with science or medicine. In fact, Dr. Ford told me the subject matter of steev’s module uses, and I quote Dr. Ford directly here, “ a scientific approach to carpets” as the subject of his “module”. Needless to say I did not choose to comment on the lack credentials steev could possibly bring to bear on such a topic with Dr. Ford, deciding not to open that can of worms.

3. the third “course” professor clown ‘teaches’, like the ‘module’, also has nothing to do with medicine or science. Here, steev ‘teaches’ how to use software, particularly microsoft’s PowerPoint to prepare public speaking presentations for professional meetings, there is nothing in this ‘course’ of a scientific or medical nature. It, too, is only for undergraduates.

As for his academic accomplishments, Dr. Ford told me in his recollection, steev has basically ignored the “scientific” end of his teaching career for the past 10-15 years to focus on these other areas, which sounded to me like a rather nice and genteel way to say professor price wasn’t much of a scientist. Dr. Ford also informed me steev “probably” had a larger list of academic accomplishments but he wasn’t exactly sure of how much larger it actually is.

So professor clown saying you’re academic appointment is within a department of a medical school is technically correct, however, your professional participation there, i.e. your duties and responsibilities, surely could not be characterized as medically oriented.

This is just another example of your spinning facts to make them support your own fractured-fairytale approach to reality.

As for RK.com being a “toilet-bowl”? Obviously you think enough of it to consistently and vainly try to dis-prove what has been and is written about you here. Sorry clown but you’re lame and misguided attempts to do so, as always, are proven by the facts to be just hot air.

You’re an undergraduate baby-sitter, whose one course has nothing to do with “Medical School”, as it is for future nurses, and the otherse even further away from science and medicine.

By the way, steev, why don’t you publish the notes for your “Scientific Approach to Oriental Carpets” here on RK.com? But please do it in the “Today’s Chuckle” Topic Area – that’s where it belongs.

Jack

You're a fountain of lies and misinformation. VCU includes a School of Medicine, which is where I have my academic appointment. I was promoted to Associate Professor and tenured in 1968, promoted to Professor in 1975, and have all of the usual credentials to justify those actions. Anyone who cares can have a copy of my cv by e-mailing a request to me. I'm not going to afford this toilet bowl of a website the dignity of posting my professional credentials on it.

Oh, and while I've got your attention, Jack, two things:
1. Don't believe everything you think.
2. Yap! Yap! Yap!

That's probably the only language you understand.

fish-fry: jeez, can't you even read what is posted?

All the infro about professor clown's education was posted here along with his meagre professional achievements, so your defending the clown of the rug world is, like the rest of your ranting, way off-base and incorrect.

And for your information, Virginia Commonwealth University is not a medical school and steev is not a medical school professor. Professor price=clown is in the Department of Physiology and teaches undergraduates. Again you prove your inability to even get your facts straight, let alone interpret them.

Fishy, you are a stooge and one wonders if you are even able to open your box of cheerios in the morning without help.

As for your claim steev has been "malicious defamed" I would welcome any attempt on his part to attempt to prove such an absurd charge.

By the way, Hesperia isn't a very big place and I am sure a big-mouth blowhard like you is not exactly invisible.

Enjoy your day in the sun and post away, fish-face, but remember a fish out of water doesn't get a sun-tan.

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JC

Professor Price was hired by his medical school in 1966, five years after getting his PhD. He was promoted to professor, probably to associate professor before that, and must have received tenure by 1974. The oldest article listed among the Selected Publications on his university web page is dated 10 years later than that.

Anyone familiar with academic institutions knows that hiring, tenure and promotion in a medical school are all impossible without publications and that tenure and promotion also require international stature in the person's professional field.

I conclude that you either know nothing about academic institutions (have you ever set foot in one?) or that you know that what you said about him is part of your pattern of malicious defamation of others. Most likely, both are correct. I hope he sues you into oblivion.

firsh-face: What is "breathtaking in its stupidity" are your absurd attempts to prove yourself as anything more than the scared little child you are.
Callling you a weenie is giving you too much credit.

Your punk-ass approach is laughable, as are your opinions about anything other than your own hubris and pomposity.

Only a fool would believe what you write and only a moron would write it. We can pull the plug on you anytime we want and prevent you from posting here but, as Rk.com's board is open to all, even a foolhardy nobody like you, post on.

But remember, fishy, we know its you everytime so quit the hallo's and anon tags, they make you look even more ridiculous and duplicitous than you are. And that, little-man, is truly something.
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JC

Once more, with feeling. You wrote, "AS for the 1911 description of fuchsine? Since this dye is totally non-existent in today’s world, in fact it hasn’t been used since WWI, the description from that encyclopedia is far more descriptive than any since published."

The fact that it hasn't been used to dye textiles since the early 20th century doesn't mean that nothing worthwhile was written about it since then. The 1911 Encyclopedia article is obsolete in many respects. You used it because you are too dumb to know that 100 year old technical information is obsolete, too ignorant to be able to read and understand the article, and too lazy to look for anything more recent once it appeared on the first page of your Google search for "fuchsine".

"...this dye is totally non-existent in today’s world, in fact it hasn’t been used since WWI, the description from that encyclopedia is far more descriptive than any since published." This is breathtaking in its stupidity.

Fish-face:If professor clown had more of a CV, he'd have put it there, on his school's website. But he doesn't, unless you think writing his drivel for turdo-tek, rug review and hali counts for anything. He is, like you, is a poser of the first degree, a true nobody with nothing of interest to say or contribute.

Plus can't you ever get it right? Fuchsine is not used to dye textiles, and that, fishy,. is the point, dummy. In fact, it's probably a food additive that you and fat-assed steev imbibe everyday. Enjoy your weenies, weenie.

Like I said, eventually you will be unmasked, keep it up while you can.

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Hallo JC

I see you continue your stream of malicious lies and misinformation. Here is some truth for you to chew on - it will probably go down hard.

It is ridiculous to equate "Selected Publications" on a university person's web page with the output of his professional career. Perhaps Price will provide a summary of his curriculum vitae, although I see no reason why he should put this information on a site like this one.

You said you use a 1911 encyclopedia as your source of information on fuchsine because: "AS for the 1911 description of fuchsine? Since this dye is totally non-existent in today’s world, in fact it hasn’t been used since WWI, the description from that encyclopedia is far more descriptive than any since published." Another candidate statement for Dumb Post of the Week? Fuchsine is still manufactured and available, although it is no longer used to dye textiles. Keep it going, JC, you're on a roll.

Fish-face: You again? Haven't you received enough of a drubbing here to convince you of the senselessness of your persistence.

Open your fish-eyes, dummy:
1.If you or professor price=clown thinks fuchsine is beautiful, what can I say other than dead-eyed rug collectors end up with airport-art collections.

2.Go to the website for the college price=clown works for and read for yourself the paltry accomplishments, publishing and otherwise, steev has accrued in more than 2o years of his "science" career. His accomplishments are embarrassingly few and far between, in fact they number less than 5. Quite a distinguished career? Not

AS for the 1911 description of fuchsine? Since this dye is totally non-existent in today’s world, in fact it hasn’t been used since WWI, the description from that encyclopedia is far more descriptive than any since published.

Fisher-guy, you live or work in HESPERIA CALIFORNIA and you are a weenie of the first order. Your anonymous posting here say absolutely nothing other than your own inability to do anything other than sling mud.

I look forward to finding out your name, which eventually will surface, and then you and I can discuss your problems in person.

For your information here is steev price=clown’s academic profile from his universities website, which by the way he is the webmaster for.

"Steven Price, professor, received his B.A. in biology in 1958 from Adelphi University and completed his studies in biology at Princeton University (M.A. 1960, Ph.D. 1961). After two years of postdoctoral work in chemistry at Florida State University in the laboratory of Dr. Earl Frieden, Dr. Price worked for Monsanto Research Corporation for three years. He joined the department in 1966.

Selected Publications Price, S. Mechanisms of stimulation of factory neurons: an essay. Chem. Senses, 8:341-354, 1984. Price, S. and A. Willey. Effects of Antibodies Against Odorant Binding Proteins on Electrophysiological Responses to Odorants. Biochim. Biophys. Acta 965:127-129, 1988. Price, S. Issues in Taste and Smell Research 1990: An Overview. Nutrition, 7:141-142, 1991."

Three articles in a 28 year academic career? What a joke, professor clown is some academic, huh? .

Here is the URL for the faculty bio’s from steev’s department:
http://www.vcu.edu/physio/faculty.htm

Go check it out for yourself, fishy, and you will see even most of the teaching assistants have broader academic achievements that price=clown. His career as a scientist is not only nothing to be proud of, it’s an embarrassment. And remember, nobody is modest in their biographies and bibliographies and if professor clown had more achievements, they’d be there, rest assured.

So again, fisherguy, you are full of it and your take on anything is a worthless as price=clown’s.

Enjoy reading his accomplishments, it will only take you a minute even with your limited mental capacity.

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Hallo JC

You just broke your own record for dumb statements in a single post. Congratulations on your new personal best! It will be tough to top, even for you.

Here's the first, although not competitive with your other stupid statements. "...calling fuchsine a "beautiful purple" is rather naive considering the truly beautiful shades of purple in antique weavings derived from natural sources. Apparently a dead-eyed clown, who collects airport-art weavings like steev, can't appreciate the difference." You don't think it's beautiful, that proves that it isn't? Not to anyone else, JC.

But you move on to bigger and better gaffes. About Price, you say "... his academic accomplishments are as few and far between as any tenured professor I have ever encountered." What do you know about them? Has he published articles? Chapters in books? Entire books? Received awards? If so, from who and in recognition of what? I'll bet you don't know the answers to any of those questions, and if I'm right, you're lying, as usual. Who are all the other tenured professors about whom you know so much? I'll bet there isn't a single one.

Now for my favorite. "Just for the record here is one of the best explanations of fuchsine I have seen. It comes from an edition of a 1911 Encycelopedia that is accessible online." That's the best explanation of fuchsine you've seen? An encyclopedia published nearly a century ago is your source of information about dyes? That's hilarious. I'll bet you don't even know what that turgid prose means anyway.

The Dumb Post of the Week thread has been ignored lately, as professor clown, everyone favorite dumb poster, has been pretty quiet, rarely venturing to put his name on a post. Today he did and the following qualifies for inclusion.

Here is professor price=clown's dopey take on fuchsine, an early chemical dye:
"The odd purple that you mention may be one of the early synthetics. The group included a very beautiful purple that fades to gray when exposed to light for awhile. If that's what this is, you'll see a much more vivid purple near the base of the knots, where it is shielded from light to a large extent.
That dye was rarely used after World War I, and it's presence would be pretty good evidence that the rug was made no later than, say, 1915. Regards Steve Price"

What he states is somewhat factual, although calling fuchsine a "beautiful purple" is rather naive considering the truly beautiful shades of purple in antique weavings derived from natural sources. Apparently a dead-eyed clown, who collects airport-art weavings like steev, can't appreciate the difference

However the rest of his statement can only be characterized as myopic because:
1. often when fuchsine was used in 19th century rugs, and no matter what steeev says few if any 20th century uses of fuchsine can be proved, often there remains no difference between the ends of the knot and the centers now that these weaving are over 100 years old and the effects of oxidation, washing and use have taken their toll.
2. few rugs made after 1880 have fuchsine as other cheaper and more easily used dyes were in the market-place by then. These were preferred by weavers for just those reasons, not fuchsine.
3. If, in fact, there is fuchsine in the rug professor clown refers to that fact would preclude it's having been made any later than 1890 and surely not later, as he incorrectly surmised.
4. the rug in question is undoubtedly 19th century and only a novice would/could believe it was a 20th century weaving.

Professor price=clown is supposedly a 'scientist' but the grossly inadequate responses he invariably pens call his abilities as a 'scientist' constantly into question.

Plus his academic accomplishments are as few and far between as any tenured professor I have ever encountered.

Just for the record here is one of the best explanations of fuchsine I have seen. It comes from an edition of a 1911 Encycelopedia that is accessible online at this address:
“http://49.1911encyclopedia.org/F/FU/FUCHSINE.htm

FUCHSINE , or MAGENTA, a red dyestuff consisting of a mixture of the hydrochlorides or acetates of pararosaniline and rosaniline. It was obtained in 1856 by J. Natanson (Ann., 1856, 98, p. 297) by the action of ethylene chloride on aniline, and by A. W. Hofmann in 1858 from aniline and carbon tetrachloride. It is prepared by oxidizing aniline for red (a mixture of aniline and ortho- and para-toluidine) with arsenic acid (H. Medlock, Dingiers Poly. Jour, t86o, 158, p. 146); by heating aniline for red with nitrobenzene, concentrated hydrochloric acid and iron (Coupier, Ber., 1873, 6, p. 423); or by condensing formalde - hyde with aniline and ortho-toluidine and oxidizing the mixture. It forms small crystals, showing a brilliant green reflex, and is soluble in water and alcohol with formation of a deep red solution. It dyes silk, wool and leather direct, and cotton after mordanting with tannin and tartar emetic (see DYEING). An aqueous solu tion of fuchsine is decolorized on the addition of sulphurous acid, the easily soluble fuchsine sulphurous acid being formed. This solution is frequently used as a test reagent for the detection of aldehydes, giving, in most cases, a red coloration on the addition of a small quantity of the aldehyde.
,br> The constitution of the fuchsine bases (pararosaniline and rosaniline) was determined by E. and 0. Fischer in 1878 (Ann., 1878, 194, p. 242); A. W. Hofmann having previously shown that oxidation of pure aniline alone or of pure toluidine yielded no fuchsine, whilst oxidation of a mixture of aniline and para-toluidine gave rise to the fine red dyestuff para-fuchsine (pararosaniline hydrochloride)

CH3.C6H4NH2+2C6H5NH2+30 = HO.C(C6H4NH1)3 +2HfO.

Color base (pararosaniline).
HOC(C6H4NH2)3.HCI = H2O+ (H,N.C6H4)2C : C6H4 : NH2CI.
Pararosaniline hydrochloride.

A. Rosenstiehl (Jahres., 1869, p. 693) found also that different rosanilines were obtained according to whether ortho- or para-toluidine was oxidized with aniline, and he gave the name rosaniline to the one obtained from aniline and ortho-toluidine, reserving the term pararosaniline for the other. E. and 0. Fischer showed that these compounds were derivatives of triphenylmethane and tolyldiphenylmethane respectively. Pararosaniline was reduced to the corresponding leuco compound (paraleucaniline), from which by diazotization and boiling with alcohol, the parent hydrocarbon was obtained (H2NC5H4)fC:C6H4:NH2Cl~HC(C6H4NH2.HCl)3 ~HC(C6H4N2Cl5)
Pararosaniline hydrochloride. Paraleucaniline.
~HC(C6Hi)3.
Triphenylmethane.
The reverse series of operations was also carried out by the Fischers, triphenylmethane being nitrated, and the nitro compound then reduced to triaminotriphenylmethane or paraleucaniline, which on careful oxidation is converted into the dyestuff. A similar series of reactions was carried out with rosaniline, which was shown to be the corresponding derivative of tolyldiphenylmethane.

The free pararosaniline, C15H15N3O, and rosaniline, C25H,1N,O, may be obtained by precipitating solutions of their salts with a caustic alkali, colorless precipitates being obtained, which crystallize from hot water in the form of needles or plates. The position of the amino groups in pararosaniline was determined by the work of H. Caro and C. Graebe (Ber., 1878, II, p. 1348) and of E. and 0. Fischer (Ber., 1880, 13, p. 2204) as follows: Nitrous acid converts pararosaniline into aurin, which when superheated with water yields para-dioxybenzophenone. As the hydroxyl groups in aurin correspond to the amino groups in pararosaniline, two of these in the latter compound must be in the para position. The third is also in the para position; for if benzaldehyde be condensed with aniline, condensation occurs in the para position, for the compound formed may be converted into para-dioxybenzophenone, CiH5CHO~ C6HICH (C6H4NHi)2~ C6H5CH (CGH4OH)1
~CO(C6HsOH)z; but if para-nitrobenzaldehyde be used in the above reaction and the resulting nitro compound NO,.C6H4. CH (C6H4NHf)2 be reduced, then pararosaniline is the final product, and consequently the third amino group occupies the para position. Many derivatives of pararosaniline and rosaniline are known, in which the hydrogen atoms of the amino groups are replaced by alkyl groups; this has the effect of producing a blue or violet shade, which becomes deeper as the number of groups increases.”